Sunday, April 5, 2009


Creator God or Creator Aliens?

This has to be one of the oddest conversations I've seen on the topic of evolution. Ben Stein is a champion of "intelligent design", which merely means that there is a Designer. While it doesn't name that Creator as the God of the Bible or adopt the Genesis account of the Creation, it does at least reject the premise that the universe is essentially self-created.

In his documentary "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed," Stein talks to Richard Dawkins, a very well-known atheist and evolutionary biologist. Dawkins suggests with a straight face that there could possibly have been a "designer"--as long as that designer is itself a highly evolved alien life form:
Well, it could come about in the following way. It could be that at some earlier time, somewhere in the universe, a civilization evolved, probably by some kind of Darwinian means, probably to a very high level of technology, and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet. Now, um, now that is a possibility, and an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer.

This demonstrates how the fundamental premise of evolutionary theory leads us into absurdities. It is a theory built upon the necessity to eliminate God as the cause of anything. Because there can be no supernatural, everything must be explicable by natural means. So when a "designer" is needed, it must have itself "evolved ... by some kind of Darwinian means ..."

The truth about evolution is that it is itself its own highly dogmatic religion, and it can be stranger than fiction--in fact, it can be science fiction.


  1. Suggesting that some alien species evolved by some kind of Darwinian means, and along the way designing us, is the utmost in self-flattery and pride. Just put yourself in the alien's shoes and listen to that suggestion. Their first question would be, "Who is Darwin?" This debate just can't get more silly.

  2. Looks like Mr Dawkins believes that everything had a starting point and nothing existed before that. He seems to understand and agree with the theory of evolution, but he cannot get his mind around an infinite creator (God). Belief in either is based on faith - so it seems to indicate that his belief is based on something with which he's spent the most time.

  3. From the Answers in Genesis folks, I have it that from a purely scientific perspective both evolution and creation are models and not theories. A theory can be tested, and model can not. As such, any true scientist must admit that evolution as taught today is not good science because it can not be tested. I understand that many scientists do admit this, and instead of considering God as a first cause, they prefer to keep searching for something else.
    The question I keep asking is how did matter come to exist without God? Everything we touch is made from atoms that have been around since time began, right?

  4. Interesting read!!

  5. Well said.

    In my discussions with those that are either agnostic or atheist, we continue to go into circles. For the atheist, it is the realization that they must have faith to know so much that they can definitively say "There is no God."

    For the agnostic, they must be suppressing what I would call faith in order to truly not care either way.

    In that regard, atheism and agnosticism are religions.


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